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	<title>Comments on: AIRBIA: A Suburban Airship</title>
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	<description>A Suburban Design Competition</description>
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		<title>By: Rune</title>
		<link>http://www.re-burbia.com/2009/08/08/airbia-a-suburban-airship/#comment-1514</link>
		<dc:creator>Rune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 18:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember the cause of the Hindenburg fire - the main trickers were the materials and treatments the alu construction and the skin had. With materials of today and the future we can make it much more safe!

I like your idea - it&#039;s a new of thinking to use of the airship technology. Together with a mate from architecture school 2 years ago we designed an airship fueled by solar cells to transport wind turbines.
http://rum1.aarch.dk/index.php?id=106915 

The Russians among have something going..
http://www.marchmontnews.com/story.php?story_id=12554&amp;story=LocomoSky-puts-$660m-into-hot-air
http://www.locomosky.ru/en/

Are developing more on the project?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the cause of the Hindenburg fire &#8211; the main trickers were the materials and treatments the alu construction and the skin had. With materials of today and the future we can make it much more safe!</p>
<p>I like your idea &#8211; it&#8217;s a new of thinking to use of the airship technology. Together with a mate from architecture school 2 years ago we designed an airship fueled by solar cells to transport wind turbines.<br />
<a href="http://rum1.aarch.dk/index.php?id=106915" rel="nofollow">http://rum1.aarch.dk/index.php?id=106915</a> </p>
<p>The Russians among have something going..<br />
<a href="http://www.marchmontnews.com/story.php?story_id=12554&amp;story=LocomoSky-puts-$660m-into-hot-air" rel="nofollow">http://www.marchmontnews.com/story.php?story_id=12554&amp;story=LocomoSky-puts-$660m-into-hot-air</a><br />
<a href="http://www.locomosky.ru/en/" rel="nofollow">http://www.locomosky.ru/en/</a></p>
<p>Are developing more on the project?</p>
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		<title>By: dennymack</title>
		<link>http://www.re-burbia.com/2009/08/08/airbia-a-suburban-airship/#comment-1491</link>
		<dc:creator>dennymack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are we not using airships to commute now? 
They have low payload weight, unwieldy handling, susceptibility to wind and  glacial starts and stops. Think about it: everything on board has to be offset by a lifting volume of helium. Airships of old were luxurious, and prices accordingly. The massive ones, as one poster mentioned, carried 130 passengers, or three large busloads. To increase that load we would have to pare down everything, from seating space to services to carry on bags.

To stop, ground transports grab onto the moving parts, and friction does the rest. A floater needs to reverse thrust; you will be putting out nearly the same power to stop as to start, minus air drag. This means an airship is a terrible start/stop vehicle. 
Once you stop it, where do you put it? The &quot;alien bus stop tower&quot; design looks cool, but you would need to level a city block or two to build it, and clear out all the tall buildings on the approach and the eggres corridor.

This design creates major problems, is based on  tech that doesn&#039;t pencil out, and solves no dilemma for the urban commuter that is not better addressed by the humble bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we not using airships to commute now?<br />
They have low payload weight, unwieldy handling, susceptibility to wind and  glacial starts and stops. Think about it: everything on board has to be offset by a lifting volume of helium. Airships of old were luxurious, and prices accordingly. The massive ones, as one poster mentioned, carried 130 passengers, or three large busloads. To increase that load we would have to pare down everything, from seating space to services to carry on bags.</p>
<p>To stop, ground transports grab onto the moving parts, and friction does the rest. A floater needs to reverse thrust; you will be putting out nearly the same power to stop as to start, minus air drag. This means an airship is a terrible start/stop vehicle.<br />
Once you stop it, where do you put it? The &#8220;alien bus stop tower&#8221; design looks cool, but you would need to level a city block or two to build it, and clear out all the tall buildings on the approach and the eggres corridor.</p>
<p>This design creates major problems, is based on  tech that doesn&#8217;t pencil out, and solves no dilemma for the urban commuter that is not better addressed by the humble bus.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.re-burbia.com/2009/08/08/airbia-a-suburban-airship/#comment-1469</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... a bad copy of jean-marie massaud&#039;s &quot;MANNED CLOUD&quot;
http://www.massaud.com/site/en/#/works/design</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; a bad copy of jean-marie massaud&#8217;s &#8220;MANNED CLOUD&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.massaud.com/site/en/#/works/design" rel="nofollow">http://www.massaud.com/site/en/#/works/design</a></p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://www.re-burbia.com/2009/08/08/airbia-a-suburban-airship/#comment-1438</link>
		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think this concept is too grand, not interested in airport scale public transportation. go watch minority report. that is an awesome public transportation concept. smaller quicker more personal and private modes of transport. you have great looking designs but i have already seen the flight of the navigator in 1986. i feel like i want to take a ride to mars in this. not to pick up some milk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think this concept is too grand, not interested in airport scale public transportation. go watch minority report. that is an awesome public transportation concept. smaller quicker more personal and private modes of transport. you have great looking designs but i have already seen the flight of the navigator in 1986. i feel like i want to take a ride to mars in this. not to pick up some milk.</p>
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		<title>By: Giannis</title>
		<link>http://www.re-burbia.com/2009/08/08/airbia-a-suburban-airship/#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>Giannis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a good idea. However given the fact that airships of the huge size of the Hindebourg type carried as much as 40-60 passengers, even given a blimp design which can carry more and a lighter structure will not avoid having a huge airship to carry more than 150 passengers (the equivalent of a metro for example). The big question is whether cities will like having a huge airship hovering over their heads and it is not so much hiding the sunlight but questions of security (aiships are secure themselves but prone to deliberate attacks)

Still it is a good idea as it is substantially cheaper than a metro and it is something you adapt to your needs from city to city. However I would think of it mostly a solution to link different cities to more remote areas, not suburbia and city centers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a good idea. However given the fact that airships of the huge size of the Hindebourg type carried as much as 40-60 passengers, even given a blimp design which can carry more and a lighter structure will not avoid having a huge airship to carry more than 150 passengers (the equivalent of a metro for example). The big question is whether cities will like having a huge airship hovering over their heads and it is not so much hiding the sunlight but questions of security (aiships are secure themselves but prone to deliberate attacks)</p>
<p>Still it is a good idea as it is substantially cheaper than a metro and it is something you adapt to your needs from city to city. However I would think of it mostly a solution to link different cities to more remote areas, not suburbia and city centers.</p>
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		<title>By: AIRBIA: Awesome Suburban Airships Take Flight at Geeker</title>
		<link>http://www.re-burbia.com/2009/08/08/airbia-a-suburban-airship/#comment-1424</link>
		<dc:creator>AIRBIA: Awesome Suburban Airships Take Flight at Geeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the sky, and stands to save our suburbs by breaking the shackles of car culture? The answer is Airbia, an incredible fleet of high-flying airships that aims to create an efficient and eco-friendly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the sky, and stands to save our suburbs by breaking the shackles of car culture? The answer is Airbia, an incredible fleet of high-flying airships that aims to create an efficient and eco-friendly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rishi</title>
		<link>http://www.re-burbia.com/2009/08/08/airbia-a-suburban-airship/#comment-1277</link>
		<dc:creator>rishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good efforts... i think the detailing will surly resolve the things in workable way...all the best!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good efforts&#8230; i think the detailing will surly resolve the things in workable way&#8230;all the best!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Leclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.re-burbia.com/2009/08/08/airbia-a-suburban-airship/#comment-1253</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Leclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a means of Transport, both for cargo or passengers, the Airship has many advantages over any sort of ground vehicle, the lack of need for roads being one of the most obvious.

Sprawl tends to follow transportation, not vice versa (note: TENDS TO; there are exceptions, they do not disprove the general trend.)  With the kind of transportation afforded by airships, it would be desirable to build arcologies, starting small and getting bigger. Right now, building low makes sense because transportation is on the ground.  Put your transportation in the air, it becomes easier to build high, to leave the land for other uses.  

One of the myriad hidden burdens of the current infrastructure of roads and cars and trucks and gas stations and (shudder) is the need for continuous maintenance.  Within 10 years, unmaintained roads are almost invisible ruins.  Already, there exists major technology to strip off old concrete and recycle it to create newer roads.  So the well-developed road network of the industrial west is more like a Tibetan butter sculpture than perhaps we choose to imagine.  

Connect major shopping malls with their acres of parking lots and existing platforms (roofs) with transport airships. Minimal infrastructure will be needed.  As the trend becomes popular, I can see communities where the dwellings are in a high-rise building surrounded by parks and golf-courses, connected to shopping and entertainment via Airship.  As the trend continues, It is possible that the obsolete roads get pulled up and their material recycled into more dwellings.  

When dwellings can go anywhere, farmland tends to revert to what it should be, forests and prairies become assets again, and dwellings start to appear where the living is better, or where the scenery is more interesting.  

But, the idea is not all that new.  The top of the Empire State building was designed with an incorporated Airship dock.  

Hydrogen is flammable, yes-in-deedy. So why do we allow ourselves to speed about carrying tanks of Gasoline? Besides, of all the Airship passenger miles in the 1930s, Airships are still safer than Aircraft, and only once was fire a problem.  Most airships were lost to high winds causing the tails to fail.

I like it a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a means of Transport, both for cargo or passengers, the Airship has many advantages over any sort of ground vehicle, the lack of need for roads being one of the most obvious.</p>
<p>Sprawl tends to follow transportation, not vice versa (note: TENDS TO; there are exceptions, they do not disprove the general trend.)  With the kind of transportation afforded by airships, it would be desirable to build arcologies, starting small and getting bigger. Right now, building low makes sense because transportation is on the ground.  Put your transportation in the air, it becomes easier to build high, to leave the land for other uses.  </p>
<p>One of the myriad hidden burdens of the current infrastructure of roads and cars and trucks and gas stations and (shudder) is the need for continuous maintenance.  Within 10 years, unmaintained roads are almost invisible ruins.  Already, there exists major technology to strip off old concrete and recycle it to create newer roads.  So the well-developed road network of the industrial west is more like a Tibetan butter sculpture than perhaps we choose to imagine.  </p>
<p>Connect major shopping malls with their acres of parking lots and existing platforms (roofs) with transport airships. Minimal infrastructure will be needed.  As the trend becomes popular, I can see communities where the dwellings are in a high-rise building surrounded by parks and golf-courses, connected to shopping and entertainment via Airship.  As the trend continues, It is possible that the obsolete roads get pulled up and their material recycled into more dwellings.  </p>
<p>When dwellings can go anywhere, farmland tends to revert to what it should be, forests and prairies become assets again, and dwellings start to appear where the living is better, or where the scenery is more interesting.  </p>
<p>But, the idea is not all that new.  The top of the Empire State building was designed with an incorporated Airship dock.  </p>
<p>Hydrogen is flammable, yes-in-deedy. So why do we allow ourselves to speed about carrying tanks of Gasoline? Besides, of all the Airship passenger miles in the 1930s, Airships are still safer than Aircraft, and only once was fire a problem.  Most airships were lost to high winds causing the tails to fail.</p>
<p>I like it a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: CKD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CKD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea; wrong application.  Good for long distance &amp; leisurely travel.  NOT good for daily commuting between suburbia and city.  Successful transportation for commuting needs to be:
1) Fast - including travel time, embarking &amp; disembarking time
2) Frequent
3) Reliable (i.e. not prone to bad weather)
4) Cheap
5) Convenient/Accessible</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea; wrong application.  Good for long distance &amp; leisurely travel.  NOT good for daily commuting between suburbia and city.  Successful transportation for commuting needs to be:<br />
1) Fast &#8211; including travel time, embarking &amp; disembarking time<br />
2) Frequent<br />
3) Reliable (i.e. not prone to bad weather)<br />
4) Cheap<br />
5) Convenient/Accessible</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welldone lads i am convinced you re going to win the competition. Your idea sounds like a green solution that is also vital to our environment continuous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welldone lads i am convinced you re going to win the competition. Your idea sounds like a green solution that is also vital to our environment continuous.</p>
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